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The Essence of Tango: Interview with Alberto Dassieu


Maestro Dassieu dances an amazing Tango Vals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqgujDIWlOc

Interview by Irene Ho, with most sincere thanks to Veronica Roldan for her invaluable assistance with this translation and with the formation of the questions.

In a tango world increasingly filled with charlatans and pretenders, where every week brings us new fads and new tricks – watching Alberto Dassieu dance is a revelation.

Dancers who are easily seduced by the showy acrobatic tricks and figures that seem to pass for tango these days may skip over videos of Alberto’s subtle but powerful performances in favour of videos of flashing legs, flying feet and dramatic poses. Only the sophisticated and passionate dancer would understand Alberto’s monumental achievement through his 55 years of experience in the milongas of Buenos Aires. Alberto’s Tango is Tango’s essence to the core: total intense unity in the close embrace with his partner and the music.

Although the Toronto Tango community did not have the good fortune to experience Alberto’s dancing firsthand when he travelled to North America last year to teach and perform, we are very fortunate that Alberto has graciously granted this TATA exclusive: his first North American interview.

En un mundo del tango lleno de charlatanes y de pretendientes, donde cada semana nos traen nuevos caprichos y nuevos trucos, el baile de Alberto Dassieu es una revelación.

Los bailarines que son seducidos fácilmente por los trucos y las figuras acrobáticas y prefieren los videos de piernas que destellan, de pies que vuelan y de actitudes dramaticas pueden faltar los videos sutiles y poderosos de Alberto. Solamente el bailarín sofisticado y apasionado entendería el logro monumental de Alberto con sus 55 años de experiencia en las milongas de Buenos Aires. El Tango de Alberto es La Esencia del Tango: la unidad intensa y total en el abrazo cerrado con su pareja y la música.

Aunque la comunidad de Toronto Tango no tuvo la buena fortuna de conocer a Alberto cuando estuvo en Norteamerica el año pasado para enseñar, somos muy afortunados de que Alberto graciosamente ha concedido a esta exclusiva de Paradiso: su primera entrevista norteamericana.


1.¿Cuando empesaste a bailar Tango y que te motivo a hacerlo?


When did you start to dance Tango and what motivated you to start?

Empecé a bailar como curiosidad pues de tanto mirar la pista donde se bailaba, que daba a la parte trasera de mi casa yo nunca me perdí esos bailes. Este club se llama "All boys de Saavedra". Cuando venían las orquestas yo me sentaba en el escenario y hacía todos los gestos de los bandoneonistas. Al otro día, cuando en la radio sonaba un tango, yo tomaba un almohadón y hacía todos los gestos que había visto la noche anterior en un bandoneonista. Tenía en ese entonces 9 o 10 años. Luego, en las fiestas de familia, siempre me gustaba bailar. Mi madre disputaba con mi tía para quién bailaba conmigo. Ya me gustaba bailar.

I began to dance out of curiosity after much observation of dancing on the dance floor. I never missed those dances that were held in a club near the back of my house – a club called “All boys of Saavedra”. When the orchestras came to play there, I would sit on the stage and imitate all the gestures of the bandoneonistas. On other days, when the radio played a tango, I took a cushion and made all the gestures of the bandoneonistas that I had seen the previous night. I was 9 or 10 years old at that time. Then, I always loved to dance at family parties. My mother and my aunt argued over who would get to dance with me;I already liked to dance.
2. ¿Como practicaba la gente en ese entonces? ¿Que hacian para mejorar?


How did people practice in those days? What did they do to improve their dancing?

Las prácticas yo las conocí cuando yo ya bailaba en las milongas del centro de Bs. As. Las prácticas era lo que dice la palabra, practicar un paso, un giro. Entonces los chicos tratábamos de copiarnos algunas cosas. Lógico, que eso quedaba en cada uno de nosotros. Los que teníamos ya aún en nuestra juventud un estilo que no sé de dónde habrá salido en mi caso, yo trataba de mejorar algunas cosas. Eso eran las prácticas.

I was already dancing in the milongas in downtown Buenos Aires when I got to know the practicas. The “practicas” are exactly as defined by the word: to practice a step, a turn. Then, we boys all tried to copy certain things – only what was logical in each one of us. The ones like me, that regardless of our youth, already had a style of their own – for example, in my case, my style, I’m not sure where it came from. I tried to improve on some things; so those were the practicas for me.
3.¿Cómo aprendiaste bailar? ¿Para tomando lecciones con los profesores de baile, aprendaste yendo a los practicas y practicando con otros, o solo mirando otros bailarines en las milongas?

How did you learn to dance? Did you take classes from dance teachers, or did you learn by going to the practicas and practicing with others, or did you learn only by looking at other dancers in the milongas?

Cómo aprendí a bailar, creo habértelo dicho. Desde muy chiquito con mi madre y mis tías, y luego sin prácticas, sí mirando a los bailarines, me largué solo. Tenía 14 años. Mi padrino de bautismo en las milongas se llamó Alfredo Gobbi. Desde aquel día a la fecha, han transcurrido más de 55 años. Y todavía amo bailar.

How I learned to dance; I think I have spoken to you about this. Since I was very small I learned by dancing with my mother and aunts, and then without the practices; and yes looking at dancers, then I tried on my own; I was 14 years old. My godfather of baptism at the milongas was called Alfredo Gobbi [Alberto is referring to the great tango orchestra leader, whom he knew – IH]. From that day to this day, although 55 years have passed, I still love to dance.
4.¿Cual es la esencia en tu estilo de Tango?

What is the essence of your style of Tango?

La esencia en mi estilo de tango tiene un fundamento primordial y es la música. La música produce en mí una fascinación; nunca bailé, no bailo ni bailará un tango que no me llegue su música, y nunca lo practicaría sin música. No se puede bailar sin eso. No sería yo bailando un tango si no abrazase bien a la mujer para que ella sepa y pueda recibir todo lo que yo le estoy dando. Es mi baile, es mi estilo, es todo lo que siento por el tango. Muchas veces me piden bailar un tango. A veces lo acepto, otras no. Bailar para mí no es un capricho, bailar para mí es una entrega de 3 minutos bailando, entonces también me exijo a mí mismo con quién debo bailar para que esta persona sepa interpretar cuál es mi sentimiento.

The essence of my style of tango is firstly and fundamentally the music. The music fascinates me – I never danced, I do not dance nor will I ever dance a tango that its music doesn’t grab me and I would never practice dancing without music. It is not possible to dance without music. It wouldn’t be me dancing a tango if I do not embrace the woman well, so that she knows and can receive all that I am giving in the dance. It is my dance, it is my style, it is everything I feel for the tango. Often I am requested to dance a tango. Sometimes I accept, sometimes not. For me, to dance is not a whim; to dance for me is to give everything while dancing for 3 minutes. I’m also very strict with myself when I decide with whom to dance, so that person would be able to interpret the feeling.
5.¿Que cualidades consideras esenciales para ser un buen bailarin?


What are the qualities that you consider essential to be a good dancer?

Las cualidades son propias. Se puede agregar uno u otro paso, se puede con el tiempo corregir alguna postura, pero la esencia de este baile lo lleva uno adentro, y esa esencia es la que debe tener un bailarín. Después que sea bueno o no, es otra cosa.

The qualities are your own. One or another step can be added, the posture can be corrected in time. But the essence of the dance resides inside you, and that’s the essence that a dancer must have. After [achieving this], whether it is good or not, this is another question.
6.¿Que no toleras en una pareja bailando Tango?

What annoys you in some dancers when you see them dancing Tango?

Que traten de mostrarme a mí lo que ellos no sienten. Hablamos de un pareja en la pista, pues si están en un espectáculo queda en mí haberlo ido a ver. Muchas veces se preocupan por las figuras, hechas fuera de tiempo, sin compás, sin ritmo ni silencios, tratando de demostrar una destreza que el tango no exige. El tango es pasional, como tal se debe bailar y lo pasional no se demuestra,se siente.

People on the dance floor trying to show things that they do not feel. Now if they do that in a performance that’s different thing as it was my choice to go there and see it.Often these dancers are preoccupied with figures – doing them out of time, without compas, without rhythm and without silences – trying to demonstrate skills that tango does not call for. The tango is passion, and this is the way it should be danced – the passion is not to be demonstrated, but felt.
7. ¿Después de ver tu espectáculo “Milonguisimo” que por cierto lo encuentro fantástico, ver grandes milongueros como Oscar Hector y Teresita Brandon, Pedro Vujovich y Graciela Cano, Juan Esquivel y Susí Tilbe, Jorge Uzunian y Haydé Esther , Miguel Balbi, Horacio Prestamo, Elba Biscay y vos, me pregunta que significa para vos ser un “Milonguero”?

After seeing your fantastic show “Milonguismo” and seeing great “Milongueros” in the show like Oscar Hector and Teresita Brandon, Pedro Vujovich and Graciela Cano, Juan Esquivel and Susi Tilbe, Jorge Uzunian and Hayde Esther, Miguel Balbi, Horacio Prestamo, Elba Biscay and you, I would like to pose a question: what does it mean to you to be a “Milonguero”?

Debo agradecerte el concepto y que te haya gustado ver Milonguísimo. Este espectáculo, al cual he dejado de pertenecer, pues, después de tres años he querido tomarme un descanso. Pero no sería honesto de mi parte decirte qué es Milonguísimo. No es una cuestión económica por la cual estábamos en él ,sino era una cita de lunes y miércoles con nuestro arte, aunque a veces la sala no estuviese llena o hubiesen cinco personas, siempre lo bailamos con el mismo amor y el mismo respeto hacia el público. En cuanto a lo que significa ser "milonguero", creo habértelo dicho antes, pero te lo voy a volver a decir. Esta es una palabra que se puso de moda en Bs. As. hará unos 10 años, más o menos. Y que sacaron provecho algunos bailarines que en realidad eran lo que dice la palabra "milongueros", les gustaba ir a la milonga, disfrutar del baile, desde hace muchos años. Eso era, pero ahora ese rótulo de "milonguero" lo han tomado como si fuese un diploma y un estilo. No es ni una cosa ni la otra. El estilo es el que ya venís bailando desde tu juventud y que yo sepa, todavía no apareció el premio al milonguero. Pero también entiendo a las chicas que les guste bailar con estos señores, pues a su regreso dirán "bailé con el milonguero X" y eso les debe producir una gran alegría.

I have to thank you for your perception of the show “Milonguisimo” and for you seeing it. I’m no longer part of the show; after 3 years I decided to take a little break. But honestly I cannot tell you what is “Milonguisimo”. [The Show] was an appointment on Mondays and Wednesdays with our art. Whether the room was full or whether we only had five people, we always danced with the same love and same respect towards the audience. As for as what it means to be a “milonguero”, I think we have discussed this before, but let’s discuss this again. It is a word that became fashionable in Buenos Aires these 10 years more or less. It was of benefit to some dancers for whom in fact this word was coined – those who liked to go to the milonga, enjoyed dancing, and did it for many years. Now the label of “milonguero” is taken as if it was a diploma and a style. That is neither of those things. The style is the one you have been dancing since youth and, as far as I know there is no such a thing as a prize for being a “milonguero”. But I understand that to some ladies who like to dance with these gentlemen, if they can say after they return that “I have danced with milonguero so and so” – this produces in these ladies a great joy.
8.¿Consideras que alguien puede llegar a ser un verdadero milonguero sin haber bailada por 40 aňos y sin ser Argentino o porteňo?

Can someone be a true “Milonguero” without having danced Tango for 40 years, without being Argentinian or Porteno?

En esta pregunta te contestaré lo siguiente: sí, se puede ser un milonguero. No es necesario bailar 40 años ni ser argentino o porteño. Te tiene que gustar la milonga. Te tiene que gustar el tango. Te tiene que gustar transmitir esa música a todas las parejas con las cuales bailes. Y ahí, en ese instante o a partir de ese instante te darás cuenta de que sos un milonguero pues las chicas harán una pequeña preferencia por bailar contigo. Nada tiene que ver si naciste en el Polo Norte o en el Polo Sur, todo dependerá de cómo tú lo hagas.

I will answer your question as follows: Yes, it is possible to be a milonguero - it is not necessary to either dance 40 years or be Argentinian or Porteno. You need to love the milonga; you need to love the tango; you must love to transmit the music to all your dance partners with whom you dance. [You will realize what it is to be milonguero in that instant when the ladies will have a preference to dance with you.] It has nothing to do with whether you were born in the North Pole or the South Pole; it all depends on how you do it.
9.¿Como un bailarín y profesor experto de Tango, qué prefieres ser llamado - es apropiado utilizar una o toda de las palabras "Maestro" o "Tanguero" o "Milonguero"?


As a dancer and expert teacher of Tango, what do you prefer to be called – is it appropriate to use one or the following terms “Maestro” or “Tanguero” or “Milonguero”?

No quiero que me llamen maestro, ni tanguero, ni milonguero. Simplemente, Alberto.

I don’t want to be called “Maestro”, or “Tanguero”, or “Milonguero”. Simply put; Alberto.
10.¿Cuanto tiempo bailas con tu pareja y esposa Paulina?

¿Para la expresión más completa de Tango, deseas bailar solamente con tu pareja o eso es no importa?
¿Es importante tener una pareja permanente para ser a un bailarín mejor?
How long have you danced with your partner and wife Paulina?

For the fullest expression of Tango, do you wish to dance solely with your partner or does it matter with whom you dance?
Is it important to have a permanent partner to be a better dancer?

Con Paulina bailamos hace aproximadamente 11 años. Es una gran bailarina, pues interpreta lo que yo siento. Esa sensación se fue creando entre nosotros dos por el amor que sentimos al bailar. En cuanto a si es importante bailar siempre con la misma pareja, todo depende de uno, circunstancia. tiempo y lugar. También depende de la situación por la cual atraviese la persona. Si está en pareja o no. Pero sea cual fuese la situación, el bailar bien, no cambia la cosa. En cuanto a tener una pareja permanente, un bailarín puede ser bueno o mejor, todo depende cómo lo haga.

With Paulina I have danced approximately 11 years. She is a great dancer, and interprets what I feel. That sensation was created between the two of us by the love we feel for the dance.As to whether it is important to dance with the same partner, it all depends on certain circumstances; time and place and it also depends on the situation in which a person finds him/herself in, whether you are with someone or alone. But whatever the situation, to dance well -this does not change.As for having a permanent partner, a dancer can be good or better, it all depends how you do it.
11.¿Quiénes son los tres bailarines que te gusta mirar y porqué? (no tienen que ser los mejores bailarines – solamente los bailarines que le gusta mirar en el piso de baile).


Which are the three dancers that you love to watch and why? (it doesn’t have to be the best dancers – only the dancers that you like to watch on the dance floor).

Los tres bailarines que más admiro para mirar en la pista -no en el escenario-, uno es Antonio, que baila con los ojos cerrados, pero es un placer verlo bailar. Teté bailando un vals para mí es el mejor. Como así también Dany bailando la milonga para mí es el mejor.

The three dancers that I admire the most on the dance floor – not on the stage –: one is Antonio, who dances with his eyes closed, but it is a pleasure to watch him dance; Tete dancing a vals, which is in my opinion, the best; likewise, Dany dancing a milonga which in my opinion is the best.
12.¿Han los diferentes estilos de Tango en el extranjero influenciado el tango en Buenos Aires?


Have foreign styles of Tango from outside of Argentina influenced Tango in Buenos Aires?

No, los estilos extranjeros jamás van a influenciar en el tango de Bs. As. Cuando te digo el tango en Bs. As. Me refiero a nuestras generaciones, no sé qué pasará dentro de 20 o 30 años. Ojala que nosotros los porteños no cambiemos. Y no es por no cambiar. Simplemente que nuestro tango es lindo. Y los extranjeros lo disfrutan. Yo les diría a todos los extranjeros del mundo como se lo digo a todos mis alumnos que vienen de distintos países a mi taller: aprendan a querer nuestro baile, aprendan a sentirlo, hagan todo lo que ustedes quieran hacer pero no pierdan la esencia: abrazo cerrado, escuchar la música, pies al piso. Con todo eso van a ser sin duda, buenos bailarines.

No, the foreign styles are never going to influence the tango of Bs. As – but when I say “Tango in Buenos Aires”, I am talking about our generations. I do not know what will happen within 20 or 30 years. I hope that we Portenos will not change and it is not about not changing for the sake of no change– simply because our tango is pretty and the foreigners enjoy it. I would say to all the foreigners of the world as I say it to all my students who come from different countries to my workshops: learn to love our dance, learn to feel it, do what you love to do but do not lose the essence – the close embrace, listening to the music, feet on the floor. With all this you will be without doubt good dancers.
13.¿Cual consideras que será el futuro del Tango, se conservará el estilo tradicional (como estilo Milonguero) o seguirá evolucionando?

What do you think is the future of Tango; will we conserve the traditional styles (like Milonguero style) or will Tango continue to evolve?

Yo quisiese, este es mi deseo, que el tango evolucione, sí, porque ha evolucionado desde mi juventud a este tiempo, pero lo que no ha evolucionado porque siempre estuvo instalado es el abrazo cerrado, donde pueda transmitir el uno al otro lo que es bailar un tango.

I would like that and, it is my desire that tango evolves, yes, because it has evolved since my youth until today; but what has not evolved and what has always been is the close embrace; where one can transmit to the other what it is to dance the Tango.
14.¿Cuales son tus milongas favoritas en Buenos Aires y en el extranjero?

What are your favourite milongas in Buenos Aires and abroad and why?

Canning los miércoles y domingos. El Beso los domingos y los martes. Porteño y Bailarín los mismos días pero más tarde.
Y por qué estos bailes?
Primero porque hay en ellos un nivel de baile muy bueno. La música es excepcional y sus pisos son inigualables. Estos para mí son los mejores. En cuanto al extranjero, he quedado fascinado en mi último viaje a NY con la milonga Corazón. Su piso es envidiable. Su música y su organizadora, extraordinarias; como así también la milonga La Nacional, donde el nivel de baile es muy bueno y su organizador un ferviente amante del tango. Qué decir de La Boca en Il Campanelo. Su organizadora siempre tratando de tener la mejor música como así también su dedicación a cuantos concurren allí. Otra muy buena, llena de calor humano, es Lafayette Grill. En cuanto a los otros bailes que he conocido, debo remarcar al Salón Rojo en Berlín, Alemania.
Salon Canning on Wednesdays and Sundays, El Beso on Sundays and Tuesdays, and Porteno y Bailarin on the same days but later.
Why these Milongas?
Firstly because they have a good level of dancing, the music is exceptional and the floors are matchless. These are in my opinion the best.As for outside of Argentina, what fascinated me in my last trip to New York is the milonga called “Corazon”: the floor is enviable, the music and the organizer are [DJ Yesim who has just DJ-ed the Paradiso pre-new year’s milonga! – IH] extraordinary. As well the milonga “La Nacional”, where the level of the dancing is very good and the organizer is a fervent lover of Tango.I also have to say that “La Boca” at Il Campanelo. The organizer is dedicated to putting on the best music and the best atmosphere. Also, very good and full of human warmth, is Lafayette Grill. As for other places to dance that are well known; there is also “Salon Rojo” in Berlin, Germany.

15.¿Si vos vas a la milonga solo, cual es tu criterio al elegir con quien bailar?.


If you go to a milonga alone, how do you decide with whom to dance?

Linda pregunta ésta. Pero no me voy a traicionar a mí mismo. Me gusta bailar con la mejor bailarina. Por qué. Porque sé que ella va a saber interpretar todo lo que yo siento, sin que las demás tengan el mismo criterio, pero quizá les falte un poquito de esa transmisión que la da el tiempo para que, cuando yo llegue a la milonga, también sea mi elegida.

This one is a lovely question. But I am not going to give myself away! I like to dance with the best dancer. Why? Because I know she is going to know how to interpret everything that I feel -without saying that the others don’t have the same qualities; they may be missing a bit of the interpretation that comes with time and that would make me choose them when I arrive at the milonga.
16.¿Que recomendarías a los bailarines de Tango en el extranjero para conservar la esencia del Tango Argentino?


What would you recommend to the dancers of Tango outside of Argentina to preserve the essence of Argentine Tango?

Esta pregunta la voy a responder como he respondido todo: con respeto en principio a mí mismo y con respeto a todos los extranjeros del mundo que puedan leer esto. A esos bailarines del extranjero les digo: bailen, bailen. No dejen de bailar. Bailar el tango en una pista no es un concurso de belleza ni de destreza. Bailen los pasos que ustedes quieran, muy bien, bien, regular o mal, no es el caso, pero bailen. Que los días harán que cada vez lo bailen mejor. Es la única forma de poder llegar a ser un buen bailarín, bailando. Una sola recomendación puedo decirles, respeten los espacios de los demás, que ellos respetarán los suyos, y así todos podremos bailar más armoniosamente en la pista, y todo esto traerá como fin, bailar bien el tango.

This question I will respond to in the same way I have responded to everything: with respect to myself and with respect to all the foreigners of the world that may read this. To the dancers outside of Argentina I say to them: dance, dance. Do not give up dancing. To dance tango on the dance floor is not a beauty contest or a skill test. Dance the steps you want very well, so-so, or badly, whatever is the case, but DANCE. The time itself would make you dance them better. This is the only way to become a good dancer – to dance. One single recommendation that I want to say to you; respect the spaces of others and they should respect yours, and thus we will all be able to dance more harmoniously on the floor, and this will also bring you to your goal, to dance Tango well.

More information on Alberto Dassieu can be found on his website:

http://www.albertodassieu.com.ar/en_home.html
Video links:
Alberto dancing with Elba Biscay to D’Arienzo’s “Valsecito Criollo” at the milonga “Glorias Argentinas” in Buenos Aires:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orgGazxNz64
Alberto dancing with Paulina to Donato’s “La Tapera” at the milonga “Corazon” in New York:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j20JYZI2mg




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Tips for Women who visit the milongas of Buenos Aires "from the tango list",Janis Kenyon, Nov 27




I am routinely asked by first-time visitors in Buenos Aires, --how do you know who are the better dancers? and how to you get to dance with them?This past Sunday I met three women from Denver, one of whom had been in BsAs last year. Since they are foreigners who were attending the milonga for thefirst time, they were seated in the back row table between two men. It appeared that they were a group of five. Then they started dancing with the two men, only one of whom arrived at the milonga with them. This is a no-no if you want to dance with others in a milonga. Foreigners are usually seated in the back rows where they don't have a good view of the dance floor to see who dances well and are easy prey for the bad dancers who walk the aisles to make verbal invitations.Everyone is watching your every move in a milonga whether you know it or not. Once they accepted a tanda with one of the aisle walkers, they were getting invitations from other walkers. These men can't dance, so the local women won't dance with them. One man approached from behind and tapped a woman on the shoulder. I would ignore anyone who came to my table that way, but newbies in Buenos Aires smile, get up, and walk out to the floor as if they had no choice in the matter. They came all the way to Buenos Aires todance, and they aren't choosy.
I arrived at the milonga at 7:00 and didn't bother to change my shoes in theladies' room until about 8:30 when the milongueros started to arrive. I waited to see at least one or two with whom I wanted to dance first. I haven't attended this particular Sunday evening milonga for three years, soI was having to break into the scene once again. I didn't realize that several men who know me didn't recognize me with my new hairstyle. I danced only four tandas in five hours, but they were memorable. I danced tandas for the first time with two men, but I knew they would be wonderful, and they were. I hadn't danced with the third man in at least five years. It was almost as if I was going for the first time like the three women fromDenver. My only advantage is that I have seen the men dance before. I can spot the diamonds in the rough.My advice to the women was to arrive early and spend the first hour watching the dancing. If they accept invitations from men who come to the table, they are wasting their time because they won't dance well. I told them to watch the women seated in the front row tables. Generally, they are the better dancers who are more selective. The men with whom those women dance are the best dancers. You aren't going to get dances with the best dancers or milongueros the first time you show up at a milonga. That takes time. The men have to see you dancing with other good dancers first.That can be arranged by having a class with a milonguero. When he dances with you at a milonga, you get noticed and the invitations from other men magically happen. Patience is required. Arrive early and stay until the end. You are more likely to be asked during the last hour of the milonga if they see you've had the patience to stay that long.As the dancers started to leave, front tables were available. I asked the women to move up to the table next to me so they could watch the dancing and get away from the two men near them. This way they had more opportunities to look around the room and get invitations. Miracles don't happen in a few hours. It takes months to break into the milonga scene and become a good dancer.

Brief Explanation of Salon Tango & Milonguero Tango from the Tango List

Salon tango - the woman takes long back steps.
Milonguero - the steps are shorter and more together.
Salon tango - wider giros - you must pull away from the man (the left arm slides to the upper arm) to give your more space to move.
Milonguero - the giros are closer together and can be half turns as well.
Salon tango - fancier footwork along with caminata, giro, ocho
Milonguero-caminata, giro, ocho
Salon Tango-variations in the embrace although always close (No butts sticking out)
Milonguero - no left arm of the woman hanging over the shoulder. No butts sticking out.
The two are actually almost identical; the main difference being the length of the steps and the footwork.

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“ Johana has inherited a way of feeling Buenos Aires.”

“Nieves is the best dancer ever ”

“For me, ‘Quejas…’ is the “ABC” of tango, with three parts, very clearly defined. Where one may first show that the rhythm dominates, show what the adagio feels and then show one’s skill in the final variation.”

On 31 May he was 76. He celebrated it at full stretch. Working, with his family, with projects. With a few sensible precautions because he suffers from high blood pressure. But flat out with tango, as he has been for 60 years now. “This is my life, I love this, for me it’s priestly. I want to die in this,” he says, afterwards in his dressing room at the Esquina Carlos Gardel, where for the past year every night he has danced “Danzarín” and “La Cumparsita”, together with his daughter Johana.
Maestro of maestros, he opened the way back in the ‘50s, when he was transcendent as an enthusiastic amateur dancer at milongas until he turned tango into a show of theatrical calibre. “I’m the inventor of all this and now I’m the employee,” he says, calmly, without resentment, but with certainty.“The seminars and workshops began with me and today lots and lots of people earn a living thanks to that cornerstone which I was convinced would sooner or later be the way.”
While they pose for the photos on Corrientes and Anchorena streets, in the heart of the Abasto district, as the tango says “se paran pa’mirarlos” [people stop to look at them]. Some take advantage and take photos and comment. Johana, proud of her father, says with a smile: “He has the heart of an artist, if he were a businessman, he’d be a millionaire with all that he’s done.

”Originally from the Mataderos district, he was a teenager when he began to do the rounds of clubs and milongas. He met María Nievesat La Estrella de Maldonado, but it was at the Club de Atlanta where they became dancing partners and “we put together and worked on our own style, we invented everything there.” Hence, at the reopening of the Club, on 27 May, last month, the first floor hall now bears his name: Juan Carlos Copes. A legend of Buenos Aires. “A Bible”, as Johana says. We return and already in his dressing room he starts to tell us…
- In 1951, you were acclaimed Champion at the Luna Park…- Yes, but I don’t believe in championships. Absolutely not. When I won, we went to receive the payment and it had been given to someone else. What happened was that the public started shouting the number we had on our backs, so the adjudicators were obliged… But every cloud has a silver lining. All the same, Nieves and I got to know the most important cabarets of Buenos Aires: Chantecler, Tibidavo, Tabarís and where I worked twice: Marabú.- In ’55 the two of you had your debut with the impresario Carlos A. Petit…- It was my first professional contract. I had put my amateur phase behind me. The following year we played at Tabarís… “Tangolandia” in 1957. And in ’59 I was already putting together the company with Piazzolla in Mexico.- Absolute pioneers. Were there other professional dancers before you two?- There was only one couple: Julia and Lalo Bello. He was Spanish, they were the only well-known ones who danced with Troilo, with Canaro. They were the first to go to Japan. I refer to dancers, not actors, because before there was no actor who didn’t know how to dance tango: Tito Lusiardo, Enrique Muiño, Elías Alipi… El Cachafaz gave himself the pleasure of beating the lot of them.
The milongueros, without a trades union
For Copes, his best work was in 1997, “Entre Borges y Piazzolla”: all the awards, but it was not a box-office hit. “That is, the intellectual doesn’t go with the popular,” he maintains. And he underlines almost with surprise, that he still receives rights payments for the movie “Tango” from countries he doesn’t even know.
- Júnior said they have to be grateful to you and María Nieves.- Yes, he says that. Zotto does too. But there are others who don’t say it. Sadly, we don’t even have a trades union. Milongueros are the only ones who have no union representation because it’s never been possible to join together. I’m a pensioner of the Musician’s Union, I’m a member of Argentores and I’ve always sought union. When we wanted to do it, they immediately wanted to make a festival. I said: “Stop, we need two years of study to put things together properly and well-planned.”- After having experienced the Golden Age of tango, what do you feel now with the current trend?- I see it well. There were three decades in which the whole world, not just Argentina, stopped dancing in couples. And I attribute the success of tango throughout the world to the fact that they have gone back to embracing.- Did the greatest glory of your career come with “Tango Argentino”, by Orezzoli and Segovia?- No, absolutely not. They based themselves on what I do in order to achieve all that! The chats, the choreography, Segovia was talking about all of that with me ever since ’76, and when it came to fruition in ’83, it was done because democracy arrived. It was a relief, here and in France.- What differences were there between the two of them?- Segovia was the talent, the one who thought, and Orezzoli the one who looked after the money. But the first mistake they made was in Italy. I told them. The orchestra was fabulous, the singers too, but there wasn’t a musical director, a choreographic director… For example, there was a tribute to Troilo and I said: Don’t put ‘Quejas de Bandoneón’ and ‘Danzarín’, because Danzarín is more sombre and more deeply felt. For me, ‘Quejas…’ is the “ABC” of tango, with three parts, very clearly defined. Where one may first show that the rhythm dominates, show what the adagio feels and then show one’s skill in the final variation.- And in the end, did he take any notice of you? Did he change it?- Yes, he did. I said to him: “If you don’t get the better of this, you’ll loose it.” Instead of doing something mystical, a homage, it was transformed, it departed from what it signified or what Segovia intended, which was the most similar to an amateur milonga. I carry on doing “Quejas” the same as when I started, with mystique.
Infernal and glorious bug…
Hundred percent artiste, the clothing and footwear is not just a minor detail. How many outfits does Copes have?... “No-o-o, I’ve lost count along the way…!” confesses the maestro, preening himself in his basement dressing room. “The clothing is very important, in the sense that it reflects above all your personality and at the same time represents the personality of who it is you are carrying out, that is to say the musician, the orchestra, everything… When this infernal bug which is tango – infernal in many senses and glorious in all senses - got into my veins, I recall that to really look good in “Tangolandia” by Francisco Canaro, I wanted to shine, to dazzle and I paid up front for two outfits. The first one I bought in Libertad street, a pale brown suit with stripes a little darker, nothing like the typical dress. It was second-hand, huge and my mother altered it for me. Later I had them made to measure by a tailor.- What was the most expensive one?- Some of 1,500 to 2,000 dollars, made specially for working on Broadway.- And which shoes do you prefer?- The line that was used later was also invented by me. Ordinary shoes weren’t easy for dancing in, they came unstitched, they fell apart very quickly. So I resorted to the Spanish type of shoes, for dancing flamenco. I even said to Fattomano one day: “Why put gaiters on top? Make it all one piece, and above the opening on the inside put a zipper and on the outside, in cream color, put buttons. Today you’ll see this type of shoe all over the world. I now use some that are Spanish type underneath and above with laces.- The clothing is also a whole ritual for the milonguero.- Yes, there used to be a special store for cravats, another that made shirts with a large open neck, so as to put the bow, Alberto Castillo style. There are lots of things that aren’t recognized as being Castillo, but within the song itself he was a Piazzolla. That’s to say, he changed the shapes, the style. Each one sought out the way to stand out with personality, not imitating.- And there are the milonga’s codes.- Yes. Some used to say you had to love clandestine game. I went to all the race-courses and I was bored. Others said you had to get drunk: I took a whole load of those and it was bad, because I mixed them. but what was never spoken of in my amateur days was drug-taking.- Wasn’t there any?- It’s not that there wasn’t any: it was very expensive. They were used by the double-barreled surnames. We knew it existed, but it wasn’t affordable for the pocket of one who went to a milonga to dance. - That’s changed now…- Nowadays there a lot. When there was an exhibition of Finito together with Petróleo I went to the bathroom and I found myself attacked by people offering me the goods. I said to them: “it’s not my scene”, and they didn’t believe me.

María Nieves, life-long dancer…
- María Nieves told me that the two of you took great care of yourselves for the show.- That’s right…- Excuse me, but just now, listening to you speak and looking at you, you reminded me of her…(He smiles) – Well they were forty years of life together, you can’t forget them just like that! We were married in Las Vegas, and later we divorced. Then I married Myriam (Myriam Ivonne Albuernes), with whom I had Johana and Geraldine, who gave me my granddaughter: Malena, who’s 1 year old. God punished me: I’m surrounded by women! (He laughs)… I tell anyone and everyone that she is the best dancer of all time, not of the century like me. I was given the Dancer of the Century award, but I’ve seen Nieved do things with great dancers that I wouldn’t dare to do with great dancers. That’s to say, Nieves is tango! Tango found us. I always say it takes two to tango but one feeling between them, and if there’s no chemistry… It’s very hard to forget the chemistry!- What were the differences between the two of you?- She wanted to let go and I didn’t… The last times were gloomy: she used to say that’s enough and I wanted to carry on. For me it’s a priesthood, I love this. So we did a tour in Japan in ’97 and stopped dancing together. She was always very negative, I prepared everything and would call her at the last moment so as not to argue. We’d go on stage swearing at each other, and we’d go off and carry on swearing. But in the middle was the true Copes-Nieves. We felt the silence!- You created the style in the Atlanta…- Yes. I saw the two styles: that of doing and the smooth, elegant. My creation was to combine the two. And later when I invented the tango-show, it was like a flowering of tango in spring. And so everyone started to copy us. To the point where I ended up punching one who went to Karina to spy! There were no videocassettes in the old days!- Did you feel the criticism for dancing with your daughter?- Yes!... Many thought I was having an affair with my daughter, or vice-versa. But we made it clear that there’s a glass between us and what we show is technique of how a tango should be danced.- Is she rebellious or does she take notice of you?- Yes, she’s rebellious… like all women she’s very difficult… (laughs).- What has she inherited from you?- At a human level, she knows I was never a law-breaker, I never had to lie or cover things up: everything out in the open and if I was wrong, may God forgive me… I think she’s learned that from childhood and inherited a way of feeling, of feeling Buenos Aires, feeling her country, a way of feeling Argentine! And that’s what we lack!... Martín Fierro says it: brothers should be united, that’s the first law… And it’s not fulfilled, here every day we are more separated… Here we have everything, a gold mine not exploited, a rich country, with everything and we don’t take any notice. We give it away! The more illiteracy and ignorance there is, the better, to the benefit of some four or five who govern us.

Silvia Rojas
Photos: Eduardo Sarapura

Milena Plebs Analyzes Current Scene


Remarkable dancer and choreographer analyzes the current scene and talks about the need to explore new tango dance possibilities, to avoid crystallization.
(Publ. 03-07-2007)

By Laura Falcoff

“It would be good for tango to continue evolving, so that it could stay alive and avoid crystallization of forms,” says Milena Plebs, who, as dancer, choreographer and also as a qualified observer, is interested in how this dance shows itself and changes.
Her view is particularly appreciated in a milieu that recognizes her as the great renovator of the tango dance scene alongisde Miguel Angel Zotto, starting with the creation of the Tango x 2 company – which they shared until 1997.
¿How do you think the development of the tango dance is possible? Along what tracks? I am thinking of how I can do it, or how I can get others do to it through what I write. Wishing tango to keep on evolving, to foster new forms, is not a fanciful wish. What usually happens is that when something new crops up, it soon crystallizes and you can see clones repeating the same sequences, dancing couples who copy each other, perhaps to different music but with the same forms.
In what way? By increasing the value of improvisation as a unique moment from which new forms can arise. What’s your opinion of the tango you see at milongas and the tango you see on stage? Let’s leave aside tango at dance houses, which perhaps is not worth mentioning. Just like it’s not worth mentioning championships, either. As to the question, I think, firstly, that instructors should take a longer time and more effort to explore the many possibilities each dance instance opens up.
Tango is made up of certain elements, certain steps, which can be combined in different forms. Students, and dancers in general –some people know about this, but very few- should be taught that the end of each step leaves the door open to different possibilities. And to those countless possible combinations which your proposal aims at. Usually, dancers are taught blocks of sequences which become very difficult to break up later. You will see dancers, both at milongas and on stage, who, when starting a sequence, do not stop until they end it. That sequence may be formed by, let’s say, ten steps, and each of them gives you the chance to break up the sequence with maybe two or three different alternatives.
A more active approach should be taken when learning to dance tango, rather than a passive one, taking what the instructor gives me or what I copy from a video.
Improvisation is an action in the present continuous, choreography is in the past. Could you expand on this idea? Choreography is present the moment you create it with your partner during rehearsals, when you are searching for steps. Once it becomes settled and is repeated, it is no longer present, it is past. Do you consider, then, that improvisation could, or should, be taken on stage? I do not have an answer to that today. I only speak about things I think about; let debate take place among everybody. What I can say is that dancers who prepare their choreographies must take pains so that their creation will not look too automatic, too fixed…too boring. A very basic and obvious piece of advice to prevent this is to keep your mark, to have the man keep marking movements on stage because the dynamics that arise from this are totally different. I think it’s all about looking for the way to shorten distances between choreography dancing and spontaneous dancing. I’m not saying that you should do away with choreography, but that it should preserve the freshness and organic spirit of improvised dancing.